903 1/2 - 905 1/2 ANGIER AVENUE

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903 1/2 - 905 1/2 ANGIER AVENUE

903.5-905.5
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Durham
NC
Built in
1910-1940
/ Demolished in
1970-1979
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  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 1:45pm

    There's also a "Royal Ice Cream" sign (obviously not the same building as the site of the sit-ins though)

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 1:47pm
  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 2:27pm

    No leaves on the trees, sweaters they are wearing....surely not summer of '64 as labeled in the UNC link. I think the photos are not identified correctly.
    I don't have a clue where this was taken-if in Durham.

    Where would a fenced playground area be? Is it even a playground-I don't see swings etc. ? School? Church? City park? The cement block building looks a bit municipal but not fancy. I tried to see if there was a uniform theme with the plaid that a couple of girls were wearing.

    ??

  • Submitted by Steve on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 4:50pm

    Hmmm... the Barnes collection says that the photos were taken in the 2800 block of Lawndale, between Golf Street and Hillsborough Road. This image: http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=429&...
    shows a slightly different view.

    The 1960s images don't seem to jibe with the housing style(s) that are at the intersection of Lawndale and Hillsborough, plus if you look in the background of the pic posted on ED, there appears to be somewhat of a hill with a structure on it. And, this photo: http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=441&... seems to show a possible smokestack or two in the background.

  • Submitted by Toby on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 6:43pm

    Based on the apparent time of year (NOT summer) and the angle of the afternoon shadows, I'd say that street runs northwest-to-southeast, not east-west as Lawndale does.

  • Submitted by Toby on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 7:34pm

    Note the radio/tv tower with guy wires in the background of this shot (over the volunteer's right shoulder) -- http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=424&...

    Anyone know where in Durham such a tower might have been in the mid-1960's?

  • Submitted by durmite on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 7:43pm

    I believe that the photo was taken in the Few Gardens area along Alston Ave., near Morning Glory Ave. The tower possibly is the radio tower located at the old Farmer's Exchange site just northwest of Holloway St and Alston Ave.

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 7:49pm

    Could be the EK Powe playground, looking South onto Green Street. The height of the playground above the street looks about right and the chain link fence around the school and the blacktop pavement look almost identical to the ones I knew going to Powe for 5 years in the 1980s. Was if there was actually a commercial strip on the South side of Green? I'm sure some earlier aerial photos could answer this.

  • Submitted by Keith on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 7:57pm

    I have a 1964 Durham GTE/Telephone book at home and will have to look up Bryant's Little Cleaners and see if it is listed in the book's Yellow Pages.

  • Submitted by David N. on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 9:34pm

    Some observations, based on the whole series of photos:
    Time possibly late afternoon, autumn. Road in front of the commercial buildings runs north-south (or possibly NW-SE, as Toby suggested), with the "playground" on the west side of the street. Structure to north is cinderblock and may be corner lot; to south and west of location are more houses. Across street to east is the retail building; north of it(what would be the SE corner of an intersection with a cross street) is a two(?)-story commercial building; to the south are more houses.

    The two "smokestacks" are NE of location; antenna is east and slightly south. The terrian appears to slope down to the north and east (which suggests to me Neuse rather than Cape Fear side of Durham).

    The "playground" looks like it may be a cement slab foundation. The cleaner's sign on the side of the building may just be an advertisement, not the location of the cleaners.

  • Submitted by Michael Bacon on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 10:14pm

    Based on nothing more than topography and hunches, I keep coming back to the area around Lakewood and South St. or S. Roxboro. No idea if buildings like this existed around there at one point.

  • Submitted by robby on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 10:14pm

    That could be the WSSB tower on Nixon st off Alston ave.

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:51am

    How about South Driver St near the Old Y.E. Smith School?

  • Submitted by durmite on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:55am

    That's not the old Y.E. Smith School on Driver St. The playground was in the rear of the property along Guthrie Ave. between Hart St and E Main St. The only store (Irene's) was located next to the NE corner of the property, close to E Main St.

    This "Mystery Photo" is a good one!

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:45pm

    If you remove the awning from that strip, which likely will have happened...does that glass block resemble something on Mangum? and the house right next door resembles something on mangum too...hmmm

    the playground may not even be a school...may be a church. I can't tell if any of the businesses are open, but girls are in dresses...

    TSQ75

  • Submitted by Lynn on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:20pm

    "I can't tell if any of the businesses are open, but girls are in dresses..."

    That means nothing except they're girls. I'll remind folks that females in Durham (County) schools were not allowed to wear pants to school until 1970, and even then -- no jeans!! Jeans for girls were allowed soon after, maybe '72?

    I suspect that, wherever these photos were taken, it's long gone now. Probably a parking lot somewhere. :>

  • Submitted by Robby on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:59pm

    I checked in the 1963 telephone directory and found Bryant's little laundry at 905 1/2 Angier. Checked the city directory and Evans restaurant was next door at 903 1/2
    This was near Elm st.The playground might have been a city park near the Colonial Store.
    I looked at other photos in the set and the old church might have been Angier Av Penticostial Holiness Mission

  • Submitted by Erik on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:40pm

    I think we have a winner! Check out the Streetview - the house at the right side of the photo matches perfectly and if this location is correct, where the "playground" used to be is now an open field that is raised somewhat from the street and has an old set of stairs next to the sidewalk.

    Check it out: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=905+angier+s...

    I love that this is in the neighborhood that the author of this blog does a lot of his work!

  • Submitted by Gary on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:50pm

    Indeed, I think Robby has nailed it. Although I don't have great aerial/Bird's Eye shots of that corner, I can tell enough from them to confirm that the playground must have been part of the Edgemont Community Center, located on the southeast corner of Elm and Angier. The two story building on the left in the background was located on the northeast corner of Elm and Angier. Various other shots people have linked show the stacks of Durham Hosiery Mill No. 6 in the background with the woman/children standing in front of the community center.

    Nice work!

    GK

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 1:29am

    So, Gary-
    When you find misidentified photos on other site, do you notify the owner of that site or poster?

    Seth

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 1:32am

    Good sleuthing, guys.
    So, Gary, was this erased in urban removal(renewal)?

  • Submitted by Toby on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 4:31am

    Nice going, team!

    Coupla comments:

    - It appears that section of Angier Ave. must have been made narrower or moved to the southwest a bit since the photo was shot. In the photo, the house with the Queen Anne trim on the porch was much closer to the street.

    - It makes me oddly elated that there is a "Toby St" right next to this spot.

    - I posted a note to the webmaster for the Billy Barnes collection at UNC, with a link back to this ED post.

  • Submitted by Steve on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 4:29pm

    Very cool! Great work everybody!

    Sometimes, it takes a village...

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 11:40pm

    For sure this is the Edgemont Community Center on the corner of Elm Street and Angier Ave.I played there as a kid and don't remember what year it was built. But I do know you could take cooking lessons and play games inside and out.You felt safe and cared for.
    Duke University sent students there to do different activities with all the kids.
    Across the street was Bryant's Little Laundry,Wiley Evan's Cafe in the middle and Brame's Speciality Co. on the corner.

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903.5-905.5
,
Durham
NC
Built in
1910-1940
/ Demolished in
1970-1979
Architectural style: 
Construction type: 
Neighborhood: 
Type: 
Use: 
,

 

Taken from the Edgemont Community Center, looking north across Angier Avenue

Home To Bryant's Little Laundry and Wiley Evans Cafe (at 903) in the 1960s

Comments

There's also a "Royal Ice Cream" sign (obviously not the same building as the site of the sit-ins though)

No leaves on the trees, sweaters they are wearing....surely not summer of '64 as labeled in the UNC link. I think the photos are not identified correctly.
I don't have a clue where this was taken-if in Durham.

Where would a fenced playground area be? Is it even a playground-I don't see swings etc. ? School? Church? City park? The cement block building looks a bit municipal but not fancy. I tried to see if there was a uniform theme with the plaid that a couple of girls were wearing.

??

Hmmm... the Barnes collection says that the photos were taken in the 2800 block of Lawndale, between Golf Street and Hillsborough Road. This image: http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=429&...
shows a slightly different view.

The 1960s images don't seem to jibe with the housing style(s) that are at the intersection of Lawndale and Hillsborough, plus if you look in the background of the pic posted on ED, there appears to be somewhat of a hill with a structure on it. And, this photo: http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=441&... seems to show a possible smokestack or two in the background.

Based on the apparent time of year (NOT summer) and the angle of the afternoon shadows, I'd say that street runs northwest-to-southeast, not east-west as Lawndale does.

Note the radio/tv tower with guy wires in the background of this shot (over the volunteer's right shoulder) -- http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/barnes&CISOPTR=424&...

Anyone know where in Durham such a tower might have been in the mid-1960's?

I believe that the photo was taken in the Few Gardens area along Alston Ave., near Morning Glory Ave. The tower possibly is the radio tower located at the old Farmer's Exchange site just northwest of Holloway St and Alston Ave.

Could be the EK Powe playground, looking South onto Green Street. The height of the playground above the street looks about right and the chain link fence around the school and the blacktop pavement look almost identical to the ones I knew going to Powe for 5 years in the 1980s. Was if there was actually a commercial strip on the South side of Green? I'm sure some earlier aerial photos could answer this.

I have a 1964 Durham GTE/Telephone book at home and will have to look up Bryant's Little Cleaners and see if it is listed in the book's Yellow Pages.

Some observations, based on the whole series of photos:
Time possibly late afternoon, autumn. Road in front of the commercial buildings runs north-south (or possibly NW-SE, as Toby suggested), with the "playground" on the west side of the street. Structure to north is cinderblock and may be corner lot; to south and west of location are more houses. Across street to east is the retail building; north of it(what would be the SE corner of an intersection with a cross street) is a two(?)-story commercial building; to the south are more houses.

The two "smokestacks" are NE of location; antenna is east and slightly south. The terrian appears to slope down to the north and east (which suggests to me Neuse rather than Cape Fear side of Durham).

The "playground" looks like it may be a cement slab foundation. The cleaner's sign on the side of the building may just be an advertisement, not the location of the cleaners.

Based on nothing more than topography and hunches, I keep coming back to the area around Lakewood and South St. or S. Roxboro. No idea if buildings like this existed around there at one point.

That could be the WSSB tower on Nixon st off Alston ave.

How about South Driver St near the Old Y.E. Smith School?

That's not the old Y.E. Smith School on Driver St. The playground was in the rear of the property along Guthrie Ave. between Hart St and E Main St. The only store (Irene's) was located next to the NE corner of the property, close to E Main St.

This "Mystery Photo" is a good one!

If you remove the awning from that strip, which likely will have happened...does that glass block resemble something on Mangum? and the house right next door resembles something on mangum too...hmmm

the playground may not even be a school...may be a church. I can't tell if any of the businesses are open, but girls are in dresses...

TSQ75

"I can't tell if any of the businesses are open, but girls are in dresses..."

That means nothing except they're girls. I'll remind folks that females in Durham (County) schools were not allowed to wear pants to school until 1970, and even then -- no jeans!! Jeans for girls were allowed soon after, maybe '72?

I suspect that, wherever these photos were taken, it's long gone now. Probably a parking lot somewhere. :>

I checked in the 1963 telephone directory and found Bryant's little laundry at 905 1/2 Angier. Checked the city directory and Evans restaurant was next door at 903 1/2
This was near Elm st.The playground might have been a city park near the Colonial Store.
I looked at other photos in the set and the old church might have been Angier Av Penticostial Holiness Mission

I think we have a winner! Check out the Streetview - the house at the right side of the photo matches perfectly and if this location is correct, where the "playground" used to be is now an open field that is raised somewhat from the street and has an old set of stairs next to the sidewalk.

Check it out: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=905+angier+s...

I love that this is in the neighborhood that the author of this blog does a lot of his work!

Indeed, I think Robby has nailed it. Although I don't have great aerial/Bird's Eye shots of that corner, I can tell enough from them to confirm that the playground must have been part of the Edgemont Community Center, located on the southeast corner of Elm and Angier. The two story building on the left in the background was located on the northeast corner of Elm and Angier. Various other shots people have linked show the stacks of Durham Hosiery Mill No. 6 in the background with the woman/children standing in front of the community center.

Nice work!

GK

So, Gary-
When you find misidentified photos on other site, do you notify the owner of that site or poster?

Seth

Good sleuthing, guys.
So, Gary, was this erased in urban removal(renewal)?

Nice going, team!

Coupla comments:

- It appears that section of Angier Ave. must have been made narrower or moved to the southwest a bit since the photo was shot. In the photo, the house with the Queen Anne trim on the porch was much closer to the street.

- It makes me oddly elated that there is a "Toby St" right next to this spot.

- I posted a note to the webmaster for the Billy Barnes collection at UNC, with a link back to this ED post.

Very cool! Great work everybody!

Sometimes, it takes a village...

For sure this is the Edgemont Community Center on the corner of Elm Street and Angier Ave.I played there as a kid and don't remember what year it was built. But I do know you could take cooking lessons and play games inside and out.You felt safe and cared for.
Duke University sent students there to do different activities with all the kids.
Across the street was Bryant's Little Laundry,Wiley Evan's Cafe in the middle and Brame's Speciality Co. on the corner.

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