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YWCA

513
,
Durham
NC
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Built in
1926
/ Demolished in
1973-1975
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  • Submitted by Joe on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 5:39am

    The building to the right of the insurance company in your third photo -- the one with the curving driveway off the corner in the aerial shot -- is that "Four Acres"? It looks neat even from the air.

  • Submitted by Sven on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 11:52am

    Joe

    Yes, that's Four Acres - gives you a sense of how large the structure was, and how the grounds took up the entire block. (Which the Durham GIS says is 3.29 acres. Perhaps that just didn't have the same ring to it.)

    GK

  • Submitted by dcrollins on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 2:00pm

    Was the Home Security Life Insurance Company building outfitted for use by the DPD, or did they build a new one? From the looks of it I'm guessing it's new.

  • Submitted by Sven on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 2:24pm

    Same building, just outfitted for use by the police department - but really unchanged on the exterior.

    GK

  • Submitted by Joe on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 3:27pm

    For some reason, I'd thought the Home Security/DPD building had been low-income housing before it was the police station. However, I didn't drive back then, so maybe I just didn't go by it enough to understand what it was. Or was there an intermediate state?

  • Submitted by Sven on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 4:36pm

    Joe

    It's quite possible - I don't know. It is still the insurance company in Joel Kostyu's book, published in 1978. I first came to Durham in 1988, but my experience was pretty limited - I left in 93 and came back again in 1997. That's the first point at which I can say with certainty that it was the police department.

    The police department was located in the non-descript building next to city hall (the beige-ish one that turns its back on East Chapel Hill St.) from 1965 until at least 1978. If anyone knows when it moved to the Home Security building, let me know.

    GK

  • Submitted by Michael on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 4:57pm

    I don't know if you caught it, but DPD is angling for a new headquarters some time in the near future. It'd be awfully nice if we could force them to make it an attractive and design-appropriate building.

    As for the City Hall Annex, it's neck-and-neck for the lead of the Downtown Durham Building I Hate Most with the SouthBank building. It's not quite as ugly, and doesn't dominate the landscape as much as SouthBank, but it's the biggest obstacle to something that's been a pipe dream of mine for a long time -- reuniting Holloway and Chapel Hill St. as a two-way, through street. If combined with NC 98, Duke Universiy (a street that badly needs renaming), Cameron Blvd., and NC 751, it forms the closest thing Durham will ever see to a reasonably straight, east-west throughway that passes through downtown.

    But for that to make sense, Chapel Hill and Holloway really need to connect at Mangum, and the Annex sits right in the way of that. My preference would be that they bulldozed the Annex, realigned Holloway to go straight from its intersection with Roxboro to the front of the post office, and then built an addition on to the main City Hall building that created a new "front" to city hall, facing Chapel Hill/Holloway and Rotary Plaza. In my mind, because of the shape of the block that would create, it would be something like the hemispheric colonnades that are all over the Watts Hospital/NCSSM buildings.

    Ah, well. Dreamin' at work again.

  • Submitted by Sven on Friday, December 1, 2006 - 5:19pm

    Michael

    I did see the story about the 'angling' - I'm going to put up a post and talk about the police department building in a few days (although I think most of what I was going to say about the history is already laid out here.)

    I, too, have roadway fantasies about the mess on the east side of downtown. Mine usually involves reclaiming East Chapel Hill St. all the way to Cleveland (as it once was) and tearing down the city hall annex to build something that actually continues the CH St. streetscape.

    What happens to 'City Hall Plaza' (the original path of Holloway) in your idea, and how does Morgan connect?

    GK

  • Submitted by Michael on Monday, December 4, 2006 - 9:19pm

    Heh. It's a tricky mess, but I've toyed with turning Rotary Park into a bastardized rotary, which the Mangum/Chapel Hill intersection makes awkward, then dumping Morgan into that.

    I've just wasted a lot of today messing around with my "inside-out surface parking" idea, and should have a fairly long post up on my blog sometime tonight. The case study there is the parking lot across Parrish from the new courthouse, and I fiddle with the streetscape there.

    After doing that, hopefully I'll get inspired and do the whole east loop.

  • Submitted by Garlinda on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 1:15am

    Actually, I don't find the SouthBank building all that horrible.

    I admit, it's not much from the outside, but on the inside it is pure vintage '60s, mostly unchanged it seems.

    What a wonderful throwback to my youth and all the promise of fancy new buildings.

    You should check it out before Greenfire/Maverick/Spitfire/Moderick (or whoever recently bought it) turns it into some hipster paradise (or just lets it rot).

    As for the DPD HQ, have the city cry eminent domain on Ronnie Sturdivant's dump next door (home of nubian art, old school buses, razor wire, thrift store stuff, washers and fridges on the sidewalk, and Jesus wants you to be rich propaganda), raze it and have those funky Freeloner put in some glass and steel eyesore...or something, anything.

  • Submitted by Nil Zed on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 - 4:46pm

    having lived in Durham 1984-2000, I don't believe the insurance building/DPD building was low income housing. However, the Heart of Durham motel nearby was, which may be what Joe is thinking of. (or, I'm wrong. it's been known to happen.)

  • Submitted by stokesnet on Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 1:18pm

    I worked at the Y for a short time in the fall of 1973, so I know the big building at Chapel Hill and Gregson was still standing at that time.

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513
,
Durham
NC
Cross street: 
Built in
1926
/ Demolished in
1973-1975
Architectural style: 
Construction type: 
Neighborhood: 
Type: 
Use: 

 


Looking south/southeast from the north side of W. Chapel Hill St.

(Courtesy Durham County Library)

 

Copyright Sanborn Fire Insurance Company

The Durham chapter of the YWCA was established in 1920 at 303 1/2 West Main St. (the Sparger Building,) upstairs from the Charles Department Store. Mrs. IF Hill was at the forefront of the drive to establish the organization, starting with a group of women and $100 associated with a "Council of Defense" during the First World War. The initial organization was affiliated with the nearest branch, in Richmond, VA. The national organization set an initial fundraising goal of $20,000; the local organization raised $24,000 in four days.

Classes were established, and meals were served twice a day. The group focused on substandard housing and living conditions in the community as their initial community outreach.

Interestingly, the constitution specified that the organization needed to have a Board of Trustees consisting of 5 men and 2 women. I suppose that quick $24,000 came with strings attached.

The centennial edition of the Herald gives partial credit to the organization for the formation of the Harriet Tubman YWCA on Fayetteville St., formed in 1922.

By 1923, the group's needs had clearly outgrown the building. Mrs. JC Angier was chair of a fundraising campaign to establish permanent quarters for the group.\
Open land at the southeast corner of South Gregson and West Chapel Hill Sts. was donated by John Sprunt Hill; ground was broken for the new Georgian style building in September 1926.

Another view, below, from the late 1940s or early 1950s. In looking at the roofline, it appears there may have been a wing added to the east side.


(Courtesy Herald-Sun)

Two of the large houses to the east of this house (pre-1913) were torn down in the early 1950s for a gas station.

Per the Herald in 1953 - and written with seemingly typical for the time purposeful vagueness:

"Again in 1950-51, to meet the needs of its advancing program, the YWCA conducted a building campaign for $275,000, headed by Marvin Fowler and Eugene Carlton and work began on a new building for the Branch Y and a new wing for the Central Association in July of 1952. These buildings will reach completion in a few months and will afford the association more opportunities to answer ever-present needs...."

The article later refers to the Central Branch - but never defines the Central Association, the Central Branch, or the Branch Y. So I'm not sure if there was a new YWCA built in 1952-3, or an addition added to the West Chapel Hill St. building, or both. It does appear that, by the late 1950s, an addition had been built on the south side of the building at West Chapel Hill St.


Looking southwest from South Duke and West Chapel Hill, April 1956 - the Y can be seen down the block.
(Courtesy Herald-Sun)

This service station was replaced with the Home Security Life Insurance Company building (current police department) in 1957.. It and the YWCA co-existed for some period of time, as can be seen on this aerial view from 1959. (You can see the L-shaped building just to the left of the sizeable insurance building).

WestEndAerial1959.jpeg

It was still there after the Freeway had been gouged through just to the west.

From Gregson and the Freeway, looking northeast, 1967
(Courtesy Herald Sun)

It's now (2006) a parking lot.

oldywcavac2006.jpeg

I don't know when the YWCA was torn down, but it appears to have been around 1970. I do know that the trees that were once in front of the building were still here until about 5 years ago (and huge at that point), when the police department decided to cut them down. I guess because this corner wasn't ugly enough. The irregular grass in front was to accommodate these trees. The small walkway to the front entrance of the Y is still there, but that's about it.

Comments

The building to the right of the insurance company in your third photo -- the one with the curving driveway off the corner in the aerial shot -- is that "Four Acres"? It looks neat even from the air.

Joe

Yes, that's Four Acres - gives you a sense of how large the structure was, and how the grounds took up the entire block. (Which the Durham GIS says is 3.29 acres. Perhaps that just didn't have the same ring to it.)

GK

Was the Home Security Life Insurance Company building outfitted for use by the DPD, or did they build a new one? From the looks of it I'm guessing it's new.

Same building, just outfitted for use by the police department - but really unchanged on the exterior.

GK

For some reason, I'd thought the Home Security/DPD building had been low-income housing before it was the police station. However, I didn't drive back then, so maybe I just didn't go by it enough to understand what it was. Or was there an intermediate state?

Joe

It's quite possible - I don't know. It is still the insurance company in Joel Kostyu's book, published in 1978. I first came to Durham in 1988, but my experience was pretty limited - I left in 93 and came back again in 1997. That's the first point at which I can say with certainty that it was the police department.

The police department was located in the non-descript building next to city hall (the beige-ish one that turns its back on East Chapel Hill St.) from 1965 until at least 1978. If anyone knows when it moved to the Home Security building, let me know.

GK

I don't know if you caught it, but DPD is angling for a new headquarters some time in the near future. It'd be awfully nice if we could force them to make it an attractive and design-appropriate building.

As for the City Hall Annex, it's neck-and-neck for the lead of the Downtown Durham Building I Hate Most with the SouthBank building. It's not quite as ugly, and doesn't dominate the landscape as much as SouthBank, but it's the biggest obstacle to something that's been a pipe dream of mine for a long time -- reuniting Holloway and Chapel Hill St. as a two-way, through street. If combined with NC 98, Duke Universiy (a street that badly needs renaming), Cameron Blvd., and NC 751, it forms the closest thing Durham will ever see to a reasonably straight, east-west throughway that passes through downtown.

But for that to make sense, Chapel Hill and Holloway really need to connect at Mangum, and the Annex sits right in the way of that. My preference would be that they bulldozed the Annex, realigned Holloway to go straight from its intersection with Roxboro to the front of the post office, and then built an addition on to the main City Hall building that created a new "front" to city hall, facing Chapel Hill/Holloway and Rotary Plaza. In my mind, because of the shape of the block that would create, it would be something like the hemispheric colonnades that are all over the Watts Hospital/NCSSM buildings.

Ah, well. Dreamin' at work again.

Michael

I did see the story about the 'angling' - I'm going to put up a post and talk about the police department building in a few days (although I think most of what I was going to say about the history is already laid out here.)

I, too, have roadway fantasies about the mess on the east side of downtown. Mine usually involves reclaiming East Chapel Hill St. all the way to Cleveland (as it once was) and tearing down the city hall annex to build something that actually continues the CH St. streetscape.

What happens to 'City Hall Plaza' (the original path of Holloway) in your idea, and how does Morgan connect?

GK

Heh. It's a tricky mess, but I've toyed with turning Rotary Park into a bastardized rotary, which the Mangum/Chapel Hill intersection makes awkward, then dumping Morgan into that.

I've just wasted a lot of today messing around with my "inside-out surface parking" idea, and should have a fairly long post up on my blog sometime tonight. The case study there is the parking lot across Parrish from the new courthouse, and I fiddle with the streetscape there.

After doing that, hopefully I'll get inspired and do the whole east loop.

Actually, I don't find the SouthBank building all that horrible.

I admit, it's not much from the outside, but on the inside it is pure vintage '60s, mostly unchanged it seems.

What a wonderful throwback to my youth and all the promise of fancy new buildings.

You should check it out before Greenfire/Maverick/Spitfire/Moderick (or whoever recently bought it) turns it into some hipster paradise (or just lets it rot).

As for the DPD HQ, have the city cry eminent domain on Ronnie Sturdivant's dump next door (home of nubian art, old school buses, razor wire, thrift store stuff, washers and fridges on the sidewalk, and Jesus wants you to be rich propaganda), raze it and have those funky Freeloner put in some glass and steel eyesore...or something, anything.

having lived in Durham 1984-2000, I don't believe the insurance building/DPD building was low income housing. However, the Heart of Durham motel nearby was, which may be what Joe is thinking of. (or, I'm wrong. it's been known to happen.)

I worked at the Y for a short time in the fall of 1973, so I know the big building at Chapel Hill and Gregson was still standing at that time.

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