120 WEST MAIN STREET

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120 WEST MAIN STREET

120
,
Durham
NC
Built in
1914
/ Demolished in
2015
Construction type: 
,
Local historic district: 
National Register: 
Neighborhood: 
Type: 
Use: 

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  • Submitted by Woozle on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 11:46am

    Your account of the supposed notification of the Ocholas family suggests some questions:

    - is there any kind of penalty for lying at an HPC meeting?
    - is there an official record of the meeting?
    - is there any way to track down who claimed the Ocholas were notified? (Shouldn't there be a paper record of such notifications? Or is this the sort of thing that gets prominently placed in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'?)
    - who is officially responsible for such notifications?
    - what recourse would the Ocholas family have had if they demoltion had gone through without notification?

    Perhaps some of these questions, asked of the right people, could help start a push for some reform of the process.

    Thanks for a very interesting post!

  • Submitted by Gary on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 12:39pm

    Hi Woozle

    Thanks for your comments. Frankly, I don't know whether they were notified or not - I only know there were two different stories. There are minutes kept at HPC meetings, but I don't think there are any transcripts (I haven't seen anyone recording/court reporting - but I guess there could be.)

    While I had hoped that when I wrote the op-ed, people would begin to ask some tough questions about the nuisance-abatement process, it didn't really happen. I think it began to happen more after Little Five Points, but it still concerns me that the public and their representatives don't demand transparency, and don't demand a careful treatment of historic housing/buildings. Look at the wealth of public record you can look up on the city and county websites - but there is nary a word on the NIS portion of the city site about what buildings are cited, where those buildings are in the process, what buildings have been demolished, etc. etc. One of their goals is noted to be:

    "To increase citizen participation in the neighborhood revitalization and development."
    (Grammatical issue in the original).

    I would suggest that the best way to do this would be to have as transparent a process as possible, with a full Neighborhood Information System online - particularly when they are lobbying to expand the program. That is how progressive city governments do it. I would also suggest seeking out partnerships with groups and people that also want to improve the condition of our housing and building stock rather than treating their concerns as an unimportant and annoying impediment to the important work of demolition.

    GK

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 6:41pm

    This is really not totally applicable to your post, but I have been amazed at how difficult it is to find out much about the HPC. The city's website lists only 4 members and in general there is very little information about local designation of landmarks and historic districts in Durham. I finally attended a HPC meeting recently to see if the group actually exists.

  • Submitted by Gary on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 7:44pm

    Anon

    You are right, it isn't easy. The staff contact is Steve Cruse, who is in the planning department. The rest of the commission is, I believe, completely volunteer. I think they do a good job considering the lack of resources and politcal power provided to them. HPCs vary in resources and strength across the country; ours is hamstrung by design.

    GK

  • Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 1:37am

    Historic Preservation Commissioners are appointed by the City Council and the Board of County Commissioners. The compositional and procedural requirements of the board can be found here:

    http://www.durhamnc.gov/departments/planning/zoneord/section3/34.cfm

    The requirements and process for creation of a local historic district can be found in the Unified Development Ordinance, Article 3.17:

    http://www.durhamnc.gov/departments/planning/udo/pdf/udo_03.pdf

    I agree that this information could be a lot easier to find on the City's website. I would also like to see the historic districts added to the on line mapping system.

    HPC meetings are quasi-judicial. Witnesses are sworn in, meetings are recorded, and detailed minutes are kept. They are part of the public record, and are available from the Planning Department. Steve Cruse is probably the best resource for that info. and may also be able to answer some of your particular questions about notification of the Ocholas.

    Although there was some question in this case over the HPC's authority being trumped by Housing's public safety concerns, the Commission voted to delay the demolition for 365 days, which was the strongest action they could legally have taken.

    I didn't think the cries of public safety rang true then, and I certainly don't now that the building is still sitting there 15 months later.

  • Submitted by Roland on Saturday, August 2, 2008 - 3:16pm

    My rock band used to practice in the "Mr. Shoe" building (ca. 2005-6) and when I got home I would immediately disrobe and wash my clothing, impregnated as it was with the pungent smell of mold. In the basement were stalactites and stalagmites of ferocious-looking black mold, and we joked that the place could be the subject of a National Geographic article, or perhaps be made into a national monument of fungus. Sad to say it, but this building is not in great shape.

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120
,
Durham
NC
Built in
1914
/ Demolished in
2015
Construction type: 
,
Local historic district: 
National Register: 
Neighborhood: 
Type: 
Use: 

 

The two buildings at 120 and 122 West Main St., immediately to the east of the Geer Building, were constructed in the late 1910s, replacing earlier buildings that had been destroyed by the fire of 1914.

100westmain.jpg
Above, a picture of the north side of the 100 block of West Main St. looking northeast. It was taken a few years after the rebuilding of the block. The Geer building is at the left. 122 West Main has a big vertical sign out front that says "Clothing". 120 West Main is immediately to its right.
(Courtesy Durham County Library)

And a nighttime shot that shows little except the lit-up clothing sign, late 1910s, looking northeast.


(Although the big, lit-up "Durham: Renowned Around the World" sign is visible in the distance atop the building on the northeast corner of Church and E. Main.)
(Courtesy Durham County Library)

By the 1920s, the clothing sign is down, and 120 W. Main is clearly marked as "Silver's" - a Five and Dime store that would be a long-time tenant.
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Looking northeast.
(Courtesy Duke Archives)

122 West Main became an Eckerd's drugstore sometime between the 1920s and 1940s, and Silver's reamined. Although it barely shows a relevant piece, I have to throw in this picture.


(Courtesy Duke Archives)

That's the 100 block of West Main St. at Thanksgiving-time, late 1940s. The bottom of the Eckerd sign is visible on the left, and the lit-up Kress sign visible at the end of the block on the right. Amazing.

The 100 block, 1940s (photo found on eBay)

By 1965, the bloom was decidedly off-the-rose downtown, and this street fair in the 100 block of W. Main looks pretty contrived.

Looking east.
(Courtesy Durham County Library)


Looking east.
(Courtesy Durham County Library)

The Eckerd's and Silver's signs are visible on the left-hand side. Although the full building facade isn't visible, you can see that there is a bit of deferred maintenance beginning to show.

I don't know when these businesses left downtown. But they were certainly gone by the 1990s. In the late 1990s, 122 West Main was the home of "Mr. Shoe" and 120 West Main housed a club called 'Wonderland'. Unfortunately, in 2001, there was a fire in 120 West Main, which essentially gutted the building.


From the Parrish St. side, 2001.
(Courtesy Durham County Library)

From there 118 W. Main sat empty for several years.

122 W. Main ('Mr. Shoe') and a gutted 120 W. Main., 2002.
(Courtesy Durham County Library)

And then the jockeying among the downtown development folks began in earnest.
Webb Patterson and Zaploski and Rudd submitted a proposal to build a fancy new building on the spot where the rest of the Geer Building (Woolworth's) was being demolished back in 2003. The city owned this land because Woolworth's gave them the land and the remnant of the Geer Building in the late 1990s.

Tom Nieman of Blue Devil Ventures seemed to have procured options on 122 and 120 West Main around this same time, with the hope of proposing "the largest signature skyscraper possible" - evidently for the combined site.

Somehow, Zaploski and Rudd fell out of the picture. Carl Webb of Webb Patterson purchased the Geer Building site and joined Lemanski in Greenfire. So it then became a Greenfire project.

The options on 120-122 West Main switched from BDV to Nieman Capital. Tom Nieman stated in June 2005 that he had been negotiating with Carl Webb to join the project in order to expand the size of the shiny tower, but that had broken off.

In late 2005, more implications arose that an even-more-special building could be built with 120-122 West Main out of the way.

In - I believe November 2005, I learned that Housing and Community Development (the portion now split off as 'Neighborhood Improvement Services') had officially put these buildings on the nuisance-abatement chopping block because they were listed on a "Housing Update" sheet from a PAC5 meeting. I attended the Historic Preservation Commission meeting in December 2005 where these buildings came before the Commission (as they are in the downtown local historic district.) I listened as Constance Stancil said the buildings were a safety hazard and structurally unsound. She seemed unconcerned with any historic significance of the building or the opinion of the HPC more generally. Bill Kalkhof stood and gave his "We don't have river, but we do have historic architecutre - but sometimes [we have to tear it down]" speech. The owners, the Ocholas, were not present at the meeting, and Constance Stancil (or perhaps Gray Dawson) said that they had been notified, but were unresponsive and unreachable.

I spoke for the historic significance of the buildings, and the iterative loss of structures downtown that had left us with so few historic structures. A few others spoke as well. The HPC deferred decision, pending more information.

After the meeting, I looked up the Ocholas' address and drove out to their house. I knocked on the door and spoke with a family member and left a note for the owners to call me. Which they did, that night, and asked me "What meeting?"

Now, I'm not naive about what they may or may not have known, but this whole thing, given the timing of the shiny bauble of an office tower, felt pretty suspicious to me. I mean, suddenly, when there's talk that the shiny office tower could be even shinier with more space, the nuisance abatement process shifts into high-gear, and 120 W Main must be torn down immediately? C'mon.

I met with the Ochola's (with others) and they informed us that they did not have they money to fix the building, but they had worked to try to comply with H&CD to secure the building. They had been trying to sell the building to Tom Nieman for months - per them, he had a contract on the building with an open-ended closing date - which kept pushing later and later. In fact, because it was under contract, they could not modify the building. Should the city demolish the building, they would be saddled with the lien.

The smell of manipulation of the nuisance-abatement process had become overpowering to me at that point, and I wrote a letter on ABCD, which the Herald-Sun asked if they could publish as an op-ed, stating, essentially, shenanigans.

Everyone went into a tizzy, and HPSD wrote a letter to the Herald to say that what they believed in was "historic preservation in the context of economic development" and had no problem with their friends downtown. H&CD, DDI, and everyone else maintained their position that the buidlings were "too far gone" that they there was "nothing there to work with" and that it "hard to make economic sense out of that building."

Somehow, though, demolition was temporarily staved off. And then Greenfire managed to buy the buildings from the Ocholas and Tom Nieman. They've covered the unrenovated facades and painted the side walls green. Somehow, despite the imminent structural failure predicted in 12/05, the buildings have remained standing and, from all appearances, unchanged in the subsequent 15 months.


Looking northwest, Fall 2006.

The lesson from that process was the same mantra that I keep preaching, as I did a few days ago. We need tools other than demolition for dealing with demolition-by-neglect. I am in no way in favor of these buildings sitting vacant and deteriorating; I simply didn't think the solution to that problem was to tear the buildings down - particularly in a rather unseemly linkage to new development (a framework that would be recapitulted a few months later at Little Five Points.) They are contributing structures in a local and national historic district. Surely, given the gobs of money being thrown around downtown, we can save these structures.

So what will happen with these buildings? Does Greenfire treasure what remains of our architectural heritage enough to renovate these buildings and integrate them into the shiny tower on the Geer site? Or do we lose two more buildings in the endless cycle of demolition in Durham?

Update 2015:

Finally demolished, much to the happiness of the everything-must-be-new-and-shiny downtown boosters. In its place, a 26 story building called, inspirationally, the "city center project." Yay - generica.

03.02.2015 (G. Kueber)

 

The developers of the 'City Center' tower built a brand new replica of this storefront in front of the continuous steel and concrete structure behind the former 122, 120, and 118 West Main Sts. I'm honestly not sure how to feel about that. I guess, architecturally, it's nice to have something with more human-scale detail than the rest of the new construction, but I wouldn't call it historic preservation.

120 West Main (center), 08.04.2021 (Gary Kueber)

Comments

Your account of the supposed notification of the Ocholas family suggests some questions:

- is there any kind of penalty for lying at an HPC meeting?
- is there an official record of the meeting?
- is there any way to track down who claimed the Ocholas were notified? (Shouldn't there be a paper record of such notifications? Or is this the sort of thing that gets prominently placed in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'?)
- who is officially responsible for such notifications?
- what recourse would the Ocholas family have had if they demoltion had gone through without notification?

Perhaps some of these questions, asked of the right people, could help start a push for some reform of the process.

Thanks for a very interesting post!

Hi Woozle

Thanks for your comments. Frankly, I don't know whether they were notified or not - I only know there were two different stories. There are minutes kept at HPC meetings, but I don't think there are any transcripts (I haven't seen anyone recording/court reporting - but I guess there could be.)

While I had hoped that when I wrote the op-ed, people would begin to ask some tough questions about the nuisance-abatement process, it didn't really happen. I think it began to happen more after Little Five Points, but it still concerns me that the public and their representatives don't demand transparency, and don't demand a careful treatment of historic housing/buildings. Look at the wealth of public record you can look up on the city and county websites - but there is nary a word on the NIS portion of the city site about what buildings are cited, where those buildings are in the process, what buildings have been demolished, etc. etc. One of their goals is noted to be:

"To increase citizen participation in the neighborhood revitalization and development."
(Grammatical issue in the original).

I would suggest that the best way to do this would be to have as transparent a process as possible, with a full Neighborhood Information System online - particularly when they are lobbying to expand the program. That is how progressive city governments do it. I would also suggest seeking out partnerships with groups and people that also want to improve the condition of our housing and building stock rather than treating their concerns as an unimportant and annoying impediment to the important work of demolition.

GK

This is really not totally applicable to your post, but I have been amazed at how difficult it is to find out much about the HPC. The city's website lists only 4 members and in general there is very little information about local designation of landmarks and historic districts in Durham. I finally attended a HPC meeting recently to see if the group actually exists.

Anon

You are right, it isn't easy. The staff contact is Steve Cruse, who is in the planning department. The rest of the commission is, I believe, completely volunteer. I think they do a good job considering the lack of resources and politcal power provided to them. HPCs vary in resources and strength across the country; ours is hamstrung by design.

GK

Historic Preservation Commissioners are appointed by the City Council and the Board of County Commissioners. The compositional and procedural requirements of the board can be found here:

http://www.durhamnc.gov/departments/planning/zoneord/section3/34.cfm

The requirements and process for creation of a local historic district can be found in the Unified Development Ordinance, Article 3.17:

http://www.durhamnc.gov/departments/planning/udo/pdf/udo_03.pdf

I agree that this information could be a lot easier to find on the City's website. I would also like to see the historic districts added to the on line mapping system.

HPC meetings are quasi-judicial. Witnesses are sworn in, meetings are recorded, and detailed minutes are kept. They are part of the public record, and are available from the Planning Department. Steve Cruse is probably the best resource for that info. and may also be able to answer some of your particular questions about notification of the Ocholas.

Although there was some question in this case over the HPC's authority being trumped by Housing's public safety concerns, the Commission voted to delay the demolition for 365 days, which was the strongest action they could legally have taken.

I didn't think the cries of public safety rang true then, and I certainly don't now that the building is still sitting there 15 months later.

My rock band used to practice in the "Mr. Shoe" building (ca. 2005-6) and when I got home I would immediately disrobe and wash my clothing, impregnated as it was with the pungent smell of mold. In the basement were stalactites and stalagmites of ferocious-looking black mold, and we joked that the place could be the subject of a National Geographic article, or perhaps be made into a national monument of fungus. Sad to say it, but this building is not in great shape.

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