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Submitted by Michael (not verified) on Wed, 1/3/2007 - 5:24pm
If you're worried that Frank Wittenburg's success at selling condos might save the building, I wouldn't worry so much. If there's one developer who's shown he has absolutely no idea of how to capitalize on downtown Durham, it's Frank.
I don't have the bulldoze jones for that building nearly as much as I do for, say, SouthBank or the City Hall Annex. Partially because I figured it might come in useful politically down the line. If the Dumbest Idea Ever, a.k.a. a massive expansion of the Civic Center into a convention center, ever rears its head again, the Crown Park Hotel makes a great argument for why the convention center would be better on, say, the University Ford site. (Or any number of other places in Durham. The consultants' report is one of the funniest publications I've ever read -- it very clearly makes arguments why Durham doesn't need a convention center, and why it would be a bad idea, then goes on to recommend that we build one.)
Submitted by Sven (not verified) on Wed, 1/3/2007 - 6:36pm
Yeah, he does seem stuck in another era - like he found the key to success in 1980, and that's the way to do things, damnit.
But he evidently did manage to sell all the 'Duke Tower' condos at Trinity and Duke. So while this is hardly directly comparable, what happens if he sells 12 of them? Someone purchases a block of 4 to sublease to out-of-town guests, another buys a block of 5 for investment, because they think the site is valuable... etc. It just gets messy.
I can't stand this building from Duke St., on which the dumpsters/service area face. I think Duke is a pretty important gateway to Durham, and having the back/service area of this bland slab as the first sight as one exits from the freeway/enters downtown coming up Duke St. isn't exactly enticing. At least the Crown Park folks put in some trees along the inside of the sidewalk. It ain't much, but it's better than the drab strip of grass that was there before.
I haven't seen the consultant's report you mention - I'd like to sometime. Convention centers seem like another one of those sexy ideas to 'save' downtown in one fell swoop. The only reason I'd want a new one would be to have a reason to knock down the old one and reconnect the Carolina Theater and Peopleless Plaza with Chapel Hill St.
GK
Submitted by Michael Bacon (not verified) on Wed, 1/3/2007 - 9:23pm
Surprisingly enough, the consultant's report provides a little bit of support for knocking down at least the western portion of the Civic Center. It's not in their recommendations of course -- they probably wouldn't get paid then -- but there's a fair bit of info there to help justify it.
I'm at work now, but I've got an electronic copy that Reyn Bowman sent me somewhere, and I can forward it to you at some point.
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